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	<title>Gratia et Veritas &#187; Theology</title>
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		<title>Apocalyptic Oil Spill?: An Observation</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Just a random observation.  Take it or leave it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a dispensationalist, and I&#8217;m definitely not a fan of &#8220;Christian apocalyptic horror fiction&#8221; of the Left Behind, Late Great Planet Earth, and Thief in the Night variety (or of any variety for that matter).  Nor do I hold to a strict literalist, futurist interpretation of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a random observation.  Take it or leave it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a dispensationalist, and I&#8217;m definitely not a fan of &#8220;Christian apocalyptic horror fiction&#8221; of the <em>Left Behind</em>, <em>Late Great Planet Earth</em>, and <em>Thief in the Night</em> variety (or of any variety for that matter).  Nor do I hold to a strict literalist, futurist interpretation of the book of Revelation. I&#8217;m more of an eclectic idealist-preterist-futurist when it comes to the NT&#8217;s apocalyptic literature.  <strong>BUT</strong>, I do expect some kind of fulfillment of the pre-Day of the Lord catastrophes predicted in the Apocalypse.  The degree of literalness with which these predictions should interpreted is up for debate, but the fulfillment of them is not.</p>
<p>So having said that, I just want to make this observation: <em>the Deepwater Horizon oil leak</em><em> in the Gulf of Mexico reminds me an awful of Scripture&#8217;s predictions of the sea becoming &#8220;like&#8221; (key word) blood before the Day of the Lord (Rev 8:8, 16:3)</em>.  No, I&#8217;m not saying that the oil spill is <span style="text-decoration: underline;">the fulfillment</span> of those prophesies&#8211;no doubt, there are many overly-confident predictionists out there saying that.  I&#8217;m just saying that when I see pictures of the oil-tainted &#8220;red water&#8221; in the gulf and when I see simulations of what could happen in the next year as a result of the spill (like <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/14/ominous-oil-spill-simulation-bp-halts-cap-tests-relief/">this</a> the one done by scientists from the Univeristy of Hawaii [see 2nd photo below]), I&#8217;m reminded that catastrophic environmental judgments are part of God&#8217;s plan for ushering in the Day of the Lord and the Second Coming of Jesus.  A third of the sea becoming &#8220;like&#8221; blood is not out of the realm of very literal possibility.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="size-full wp-image-915 aligncenter" title="USA GULF OIL SPILL" src="http://ajgibson.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/3highres_00000402147402.jpg" alt="USA GULF OIL SPILL" width="460" height="268" /></p>
<div id="attachment_914" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 554px"><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/14/ominous-oil-spill-simulation-bp-halts-cap-tests-relief/"><img class="size-full wp-image-914   " title="Day360_604x341" src="http://ajgibson.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Day360_604x341.JPG" alt="Day360_604x341" width="544" height="306" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">A representation (created by Univ. of Hawaii scientists) of what could happen in the next year because if the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.</p></div>
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<p>In a similar manner, the recent extended shutdown of the European continent&#8217;s airspace caused of volcanic ash from an Icelandic volcano reminds me of the predictions in these passages: Rev 8:12, 16:10  (the caviats from the preceding two paragraphs apply here too).  The following photos from the volcano crisis illustrate my point.  Again, not out of the realm of the possibility of a very literal fulfillment. And again, just an observation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/indepth/main500142.shtml?tag=bc"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-916" title="ash1" src="http://ajgibson.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/ash1.png" alt="ash1" width="513" height="384" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/indepth/main500142.shtml?tag=bc"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-917" title="ash2" src="http://ajgibson.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/ash2.png" alt="ash2" width="506" height="379" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/indepth/main500142.shtml?tag=bc"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-918" title="ash3" src="http://ajgibson.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/ash3.png" alt="ash3" width="511" height="382" /></a></p>
<h1><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maranatha">Maranatha!</a></h1>
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		<title>Helpful Resources on Cessationism and Continuationism</title>
		<link>http://ajgibson.org/blog/2010/06/11/helpful-resources-on-cessationism-and-continuationism/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I just came across this long resource list for Cessationism.  Pretty impressive.  If, on the other hand, you&#8217;re looking for support for non-Cessationism or Continuationism, I&#8217;d suggest that you [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came across <a href="http://cessationism.com/">this</a> long resource list for Cessationism.  Pretty impressive.  If, on the other hand, you&#8217;re looking for support for non-Cessationism or Continuationism, I&#8217;d suggest that you begin <a href="http://ajgibson.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Continuationist_Resource.jpg">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>&#8220;In Christ&#8221; Remix</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A couple of posts ago I shared an extended quote from T.D. Bernard on the New Testament&#8217;s breathtaking presentation of the believer&#8217;s life &#8220;in Christ.&#8221;  I especially love the last paragraph of the citation and thought that reformatting and slightly editing Bernard&#8217;s words might be helpful to grasp the sweeping nature and significance of our union [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of posts ago I shared an extended quote from T.D. Bernard on the New Testament&#8217;s breathtaking presentation of the believer&#8217;s life &#8220;in Christ.&#8221;  I especially love the last paragraph of the citation and thought that reformatting and slightly editing Bernard&#8217;s words might be helpful to grasp the sweeping nature and significance of our union with Christ.  I&#8217;d encourage you to carefully read (or re-read) Bernard&#8217;s words and consider your position &#8220;in Christ.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bernard says that&#8230;</p>
<ul>
<li>churches are “<strong>in Christ</strong>”</li>
<li>people are “<strong>in Christ</strong>”</li>
<li>they are “found <strong>in Christ</strong>” and ” preserved <strong>in Christ</strong>”</li>
<li>they are “saved” and “sanctified <strong>in Christ</strong>”</li>
<li>they are “rooted, built up,” and “made perfect <strong>in Christ</strong>”</li>
<li>their ways are “ways that be <strong>in Christ</strong>;” their conversation is “a good conversation” <strong>in Christ </strong></li>
<li>their faith, hope, love, joy&#8211;their whole life is “<strong>in Christ</strong>”</li>
<li>they think, they speak, they walk “<strong>in Christ</strong>”</li>
<li>they labor and suffer &#8220;<strong>in Christ</strong>&#8220;</li>
<li>they sorrow and rejoice &#8220;<strong>in Christ</strong>&#8220;</li>
<li>they conquer and triumph “<strong>in the Lord</strong>”</li>
<li>they receive each other and love each other “<strong>in the Lord</strong>”</li>
<li>the fundamental relations, the primary duties of life, have been drawn within the same circle:
<ul>
<li>“The man is not without the woman, nor the woman without the man <strong>in the Lord</strong>.”</li>
<li>wives submit themselves to their husbands “<strong>in the Lord</strong>”</li>
<li>children obey their parents “<strong>in the Lord</strong>”</li>
<li>the broadest distinctions vanish in the common bond of this all-embracing relation:
<ul>
<li>“As many as have been baptized into Christ have <strong>put on Christ</strong>; there is neither Greek nor Jew, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; they are all one <strong>in Christ Jesus</strong>.”</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>the influence of it extends over all of our activities:
<ul>
<li>men “do all in the name of the <strong>Lord Jesus</strong>, giving thanks to God and the Father <strong>by him</strong>”</li>
<li>the truth which they hold is “the truth as it is <strong>in Jesus</strong>”</li>
<li>the will by which they guide themselves is “the will of God <strong>in Christ Jesus</strong> concerning them”</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>this character of existence is not changed by that which changes everything else (death):
<ul>
<li>those who have entered on it depart, but they “die<strong> in the Lord</strong>”</li>
<li>they “sleep <strong>in Jesus</strong>”</li>
<li>they are “the dead <strong>in Christ</strong>”</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>“when he shall appear,” they will appear; and when he comes, “God shall bring them <strong>with him</strong>,” and they shall “reign in life by one — <strong>Jesus Christ</strong>.”</li>
</ul>
<p>With good reason Bernard tries to press upon us the staggering significance of the truth of our position in Christ:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;[Believers] are not merely professors of his name, learners of his doctrine, followers of his example, sharers in his gifts&#8230;. They are not merely men ransomed by his death, or destined for his glory.  These are all external kinds of connection[s]&#8230;. But it is assumed in the Epistles, that believers in Jesus are no longer living a life that is only external, and, as it were, parallel to his life. They are in Christ Jesus, and he also is in them…. Believers are in Christ, so as to be partakers in all that he does, and has, and is. They died with him, and rose with him, and live with him, and in him are seated in heavenly places.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Why does this matter for me? Because&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;When the eye of God looks on them they are found in Christ, and there is no condemnation to those that are in him, and they are righteous in his righteousness, and loved with the love which rests on him, and are sons of God in his sonship, and heirs with him of his inheritance, and are soon to be glorified with him in his glory. And this standing which they have in Christ, and the present and future portion which it secures, are contemplated in eternal counsels, and predestined before the foundation of the world.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Great material for meditation!  I think I&#8217;ll copy the bullet list above into my journal for continued, repeated reflection.</p>
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		<title>Andy Naselli on Keswick Theology</title>
		<link>http://ajgibson.org/blog/2010/06/11/andy-naselli-on-keswick-theology/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Even if you&#8217;ve never heard the term &#8220;Keswick Theology,&#8221; you&#8217;ve probably at least sat under some preaching or teaching influenced by it.  In particular, the Keswick view of sanctification and &#8220;higher life&#8221; Christianity has had a pervasive influence in evangelicalism the last century.  My friend, Andy Naselli, has written a comprehensive critique of Keswick theology to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://ajgibson.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/LetGoandLetGod3D.png"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-881" title="LetGoandLetGod3D" src="http://ajgibson.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/LetGoandLetGod3D-225x300.png" alt="LetGoandLetGod3D" width="225" height="300" /></a>Even if you&#8217;ve never heard the term &#8220;Keswick Theology,&#8221; you&#8217;ve probably at least sat under some preaching or teaching influenced by it.  In particular, the Keswick view of sanctification and &#8220;higher life&#8221; Christianity has had a pervasive influence in evangelicalism the last century.  My friend, <a href="http://andynaselli.com/">Andy Naselli</a>, has written a comprehensive critique of Keswick theology to be published by <a href="http://www.logos.com/">Logos Bible Software</a>.  Naselli&#8217;s 450+ page work,  <em>Let Go and Let God?: A Survey and Analysis of Keswick Theology, </em>has been highly praised by a number of evangelical scholars including Randy Alcorn, D.A. Carson, Carl Trueman, Bruce Ware, and Thomas Schreiner (who wrote the forword to the book).  Naselli has earned a Ph.D. in Theology from Bob Jones Seminary and a Ph.D. in New Testament from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School.  This book is based on his dissertation at BJU.</p>
<p><em>Let Go and Let God? </em>is now available for the pre-publication price of $17.95 through Logos [<a href="http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/6490">purchase here</a>].</p>
<p>Here are some related links:</p>
<ul>
<li>You can read the 21 endorsements for the book <a href="http://andynaselli.com/endorsements#more-3394">here</a>.</li>
<li>To read Kevin DeYoung&#8217;s interview with Naselli about the book, visit <a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2010/06/03/why-let-go-and-let-god-is-a-bad-idea/">Kevin&#8217;s blog at the Gospel Coalition</a>.</li>
<li>You can read Thomas Schreiner&#8217;s forward to the book <a href="http://andynaselli.com/tom-schreiners-foreword">here</a>.</li>
<li>You can download  the book’s front matter in this <a href="http://www.logos.com/images/products/6490/LetGoandLetGodFrontMatter.pdf">31-page PDF</a>, which includes the endorsements, the table of contents, Schreiner’s foreword, and Naselli&#8217;s preface.</li>
</ul>
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		<title>The Believer&#8217;s Life in Christ</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 01:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>At the heart of the message of Paul&#8217;s epistles (and of the entire New Testament) lies the concept of the believer&#8217;s union with Jesus Christ.  Nothing is more fundamental for our faith, the gospel, and the plan of God than the fact that God saves people by uniting them with his Son, thereby providing them with [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the heart of the message of Paul&#8217;s epistles (and of the entire New Testament) lies the concept of the believer&#8217;s union with Jesus Christ.  Nothing is more fundamental for our faith, the gospel, and the plan of God than the fact that God saves people by uniting them with his Son, thereby providing them with all the benefits of his life, death and resurrection.</p>
<p>Union with Christ is often expressed by Paul with the words &#8220;in Christ&#8221; (or some variation thereof like &#8220;in him&#8217; or &#8220;with him&#8221;).  It would be hard to overestimate the significance of the doctrine of  union with Christ, but it&#8217;s equally difficult to adequately summarize  the all-encompassing importance of the doctrine. Last week, however, I came across a chapter that I think does as good of job of summarizing the doctrine&#8217;s significance as I&#8217;ve ever read.   It comes from T.D. Bernard&#8217;s excellent nineteenth century classic, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Progress-Testament-Considered-Delivered-University/dp/054820960X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1275785163&amp;sr=8-1"><em>The Progress of Doctrine in the New Testament</em></a>.<em> </em>In Bernard&#8217;s chapter on the epistles, he expounds the significance of Paul&#8217;s words in 1 Cor 1:30: &#8220;<em>Of him are ye in Christ Jesus</em>.&#8221;  I encourage you to thoughtfully read the following excerpt from Bernard&#8217;s exposition.</p>
<p>Bernard begins by stating that the epistles are dedicated to teaching and explaining the significance of the believer’s and the believing community’s <em>life in Christ</em>.  “The Epistles,” he says, “presuppose the existence of this life, both in the community and in the individual, and their doctrine is directed to educate and develop it. The fundamental thought in every page is that expressed in my text, ‘Of him are ye in Christ Jesus.’”</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;In Christ Jesus&#8221;&#8230;. They are little words, but they make an announcement of vast significance and boundless consequences…. It is no symbolical form of speech, but the statement of a fact, as real in regard to the spirit as the fact of our being in the world is real in regard to the body…. Christ has been manifested, preached, received; and what is the state which has ensued, as exhibited in the consciousness of those who have received them?  <em>They are not merely professors of his name, learners of his doctrine, followers of his example, sharers in his gifts</em>. I may go further. <em>They are not merely men ransomed by his death, or destined for his glory</em>. These are all external kinds of connection, in which our separate life is related to his life only as one man&#8217;s life may be related to another&#8217;s by the effect of what he teaches, of what he gives, and of what he does. But it is assumed in the Epistles, that <em>believers in Jesus are no longer living a life that is only external, and, as it were, parallel to his life. They are </em><em>in Christ Jesus, and he also is </em><em>in them</em>…. [The] writers know that <em>believers are in Christ and Christ in them, </em>and show that knowledge, not only by frequent assertions and a universal supposition of a close and vital union between the members and the head, but by a full development of both the aspects of this union, which the words of the Lord present.</p>
<p><em>Believers are in Christ, so as to be partakers in all that he does, and has, and is. They died with him, and rose with him, and live with him, and in him are seated in heavenly places</em>. When the eye of God looks on them they are found in Christ, and there is no condemnation to those that are in him, and they are righteous in his righteousness, and loved with the love which rests on him, and are sons of God in his sonship, and heirs with him of his inheritance, and are soon to be glorified with him in his glory. And this standing which they have in Christ, and the present and future portion which it secures, are contemplated in eternal counsels, and predestined before the foundation of the world.</p>
<p>As the sense of this fact breathes in every page, so also does the sense of the correlative fact, that <em>Christ is in those who believe; </em>associating his own presence with their whole inward and outward life. They know that Jesus Christ is in them, except they be reprobates<em>l </em>(rejected ones). They live, yet not they, but Christ liveth in them, and he is their strength and their song.  This indwelling of Christ is by the Holy Ghost, so that the same passages speak interchangeably of the Spirit being in us, and of Christ being in us;<em> </em>or of the Holy Ghost being in us, and our members being the members of Christ: and so this word, <em>&#8220;in you&#8221; </em>includes the whole life of the Spirit in man, with all its discoveries, impulses, and achievements, its victory over the world, its conversation in heaven, and earnest of the final inheritance.</p>
<p>Thus, through the different but correlative relations represented by the words, &#8220;Ye in me, and I in you,&#8221; <em>human life is constituted a life in Christ; </em>and, through the still higher mystery of the union of the Father and the Son, is thereby revealed as <em>a life in God. </em>&#8221; At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.&#8221; Yes! as we pass through the Epistles, we see that that day is come, and that the consciousness thus predicted has been attained. It is no flight of mysterious rhetoric, but the brief expression of the settled, habitual, fundamental view of the state of those who are here addressed, &#8220;Of him are ye in Christ Jesus.&#8221;</p>
<p><em><strong>This idea underlies all that is said, gives the point of view from which every subject is regarded, and supplies the standard of character and the rules of conduct…. The Churches are &#8220;in Christ;&#8221; the persons are &#8220;in Christ.&#8221; They are &#8220;found in Christ&#8221; and &#8221; preserved in Christ.&#8221;  They are &#8220;saved&#8221; and &#8220;sanctified in Christ;&#8221; are &#8220;rooted, built up,&#8221; and &#8220;made perfect in Christ.&#8221;  Their ways are &#8220;ways that be in Christ;&#8221; their conversation is &#8220;a good conversation&#8221; in Christ; their faith, hope, love, joy, their whole life is &#8220;in Christ.&#8221;  They think, they speak, they walk &#8220;in Christ.&#8221;  They labor and suffer, they sorrow and rejoice, they conquer and triumph &#8220;in the Lord.&#8221;  They receive each other and love each other &#8220;in the Lord.&#8221;  The fundamental relations, the primal duties of life, have been drawn within the same circle. &#8220;The man is not without the woman, nor the woman without the man in the Lord.&#8221;  Wives submit themselves to their husbands &#8220;in the Lord;&#8221; children obey their parents &#8220;in the Lord.&#8221;  The broadest distinctions vanish in the common bond of this all-embracing relation. &#8220;As many as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ; there is neither Greek nor Jew, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; they are all one in Christ Jesus.&#8221;  The influence of it extends over the whole field of action, and men &#8220;do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.&#8221;  The truth which they hold is &#8220;the truth as it is in Jesus;&#8221;  the will by which they guide themselves is &#8220;the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning them.&#8221; Finally, this character of existence is not changed by that which changes all besides.  Those who have entered on it depart, but they &#8220;die in the Lord,&#8221; they &#8220;sleep in Jesus,&#8221; they are &#8220;the dead in Christ;&#8221; and &#8220;when he shall appear,&#8221; they will appear; and when he comes, &#8220;God shall bring them with him,&#8221; and they shall &#8220;reign in life by one — Jesus Christ.&#8221;</strong></em></p></blockquote>
<p>Simply magnificent. <em><strong> &#8220;Hallelujah, all I have is Christ!  Hallelujah, Jesus is my life!&#8221; </strong></em></p>
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		<title>Does 2 Peter 2:1 Contradict Particular Redemption?</title>
		<link>http://ajgibson.org/blog/2010/06/01/does-2-peter-21-contradict-particular-redemption/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Calvinism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Theology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Limited Atonement]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Particular Redemption]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p>On a number of occasions people have suggested to me that 2 Peter 2:1 presents a problem for the reformed doctrine of limited atonement.  In fact, this it&#8217;s often considered one of the primary proof-texts against limited atonement (along with 1 John 2:2).  Since I was recently asked about this passage again, I&#8217;d like to share [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://ajgibson.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/tulip.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-839" title="tulip" src="http://ajgibson.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/tulip.jpg" alt="tulip" width="46" height="130" /></a>On a number of occasions people have suggested to me that 2 Peter 2:1 presents a problem for the reformed doctrine of limited atonement.  In fact, this it&#8217;s often considered one of the primary proof-texts against limited atonement (along with 1 John 2:2).  Since I was recently asked about this passage again, I&#8217;d like to share my thoughts.  Peter says:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even <span style="text-decoration: underline;">denying the Master who bought them</span>, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.</em> (2 Pet 2:1)</p>
<p>The argument goes like this: Peter here teaches that false teachers in the early church who face a &#8220;<em>swift destruction</em>&#8221; are clearly said to have been &#8220;<em>bought</em>&#8221; by Jesus Christ.  So clearly, even unbelieving false teachers were beneficiaries of the atonement, and therefore it wasn&#8217;t &#8220;limited.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard a number of responses to this argument, most of which are inadequate.  I even heard a nationally respected reformed pastor-theologian state that the word translated &#8220;<em>bought</em>&#8221; (<em>agorazo</em>) does not refer to the atonement because it&#8217;s never used elsewhere in Scripture to refer to Christ&#8217;s redemptive work.  While it&#8217;s true that <em>agorazo </em>is not a usual word used in the NT to describe what takes place in redemption, his claim was patently untrue (cf. 1 Cor 6:20, 7:23).</p>
<p>I think the answer is much simpler than that.  It&#8217;s clear that Peter is speaking of <em>unconverted </em>false teachers.  Notice some of his descriptions of them:</p>
<ul>
<li>They face a &#8220;swift destruction&#8221; (v. 1)</li>
<li>The are &#8220;under punishment until the day of judgment&#8221; (v. 9)</li>
<li>They were &#8220;born to be caught and destroyed&#8221; (v. 12)</li>
<li>The are &#8220;accursed children&#8221; (v. 14)</li>
<li>&#8220;For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved&#8221; (v. 17)</li>
</ul>
<p>So clearly, Peter is speaking about unconverted false teachers who will spend eternity in hell.  And I think it&#8217;s equally clear that Peter is using real redemption language in verse 1 to describe these same false teachers.  But that&#8217;s not all there is to it.  Interestingly, Peter does something similar at the end of the chapter when he describes them:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>&#8220;For if, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ</span>, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For i<span style="text-decoration: underline;">t would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness</span> than <span style="text-decoration: underline;">after knowing</span> it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: &#8220;The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.&#8221;</em> (2 Pet 2:20-21)</p>
<p>So not only does Peter <em>use real redemption language</em> in verse 1 to describe the false teachers, he also uses <em>real salvation language</em> in verses 20-21 to describe them.  My point is that 2 Peter 2 presents not just a difficulty for the doctrine of limited atonement, but also for the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints (a.k.a., eternal security).  If you want to argue from verse 1 that these false teachers had been truly purchased by Christ&#8217;s blood, thereby disproving particular redemption, then you must also concede that verses 20-21 teach that these false teachers at one time had experienced genuine salvation and had subsequently &#8220;lost&#8221; it.</p>
<p>So we have two options.</p>
<ol>
<li>Concede with our Arminian brothers that salvation was accomplished by Jesus Christ but ultimately hinges upon the will of the individual (thereby denying all 5 points of the Doctrines of Grace), or</li>
<li>Presuppose that Peter is not speaking here of the <em>true</em>, <em>actual </em>conversion of the false teachers, but of a <em>false</em>, <em>apparent </em>salvation that is ultimately demonstrated to be counterfeit (by their departure from sound doctrine).</li>
</ol>
<p>Of course, I prefer the second option.  As in other NT passages (eg., Hebrews 6:4ff), Peter is dealing here with people who confess to be followers of Jesus Christ and who even at one time gave evidence of having known Jesus as Lord (v. 19), having been bought by him (v. 1), having known the way of righteousness (v. 20), and of having escaped the defilements of the world (v. 19), but who have since departed from the truth and who, therefore, demonstrate that they never were truly followers of Christ to begin with.  Their redemption by the &#8220;master who bought them&#8221; was apparent, not real, just like their salvation and righteousness were apparent, not real.</p>
<p>Jesus&#8217; atonement for individual sinners cannot be separated from their salvation.  The atonement <em>provides, secures </em>and <em>ensures the </em>final salvation of its beneficiaries.</p>
<p>And as is usually the case with arguments against particular redemption, the one from 2 Peter 2, when followed to its logical conclusion, goes further than my 4-point-Calvinist friends are willing to go.</p>
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		<title>Lover of My Soul, I Want to Live for You</title>
		<link>http://ajgibson.org/blog/2010/03/25/lover-of-my-soul-i-want-to-live-for-you/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Theology]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This song is exceedingly precious to me.  We sing it frequently at our church and I often find myself singing it to Christ during times of personal worship.</p>
Jesus, Thank You
<p>Written by Pat Sczebel
© 2003 Sovereign Grace Worship</p>
<p>Verse 1:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">The mystery of the cross I cannot comprehend
The agonies of Calvary
You, the perfect Holy One, crushed your [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This song is exceedingly precious to me.  We sing it frequently at our church and I often find myself singing it to Christ during times of personal worship.</p>
<h4><em><strong>Jesus, Thank You</strong></em></h4>
<p>Written by Pat Sczebel<br />
© 2003 Sovereign Grace Worship</p>
<p>Verse 1:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">The mystery of the cross I cannot comprehend<br />
The agonies of Calvary<br />
You, the perfect Holy One, crushed your Son<br />
Drank the bitter cup reserved for me</p>
<p>Chorus:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Your blood has washed away my sin<br />
Jesus, thank you<br />
The Father’s wrath completely satisfied<br />
Jesus, thank you<br />
Once your enemy, now seated at your table<br />
Jesus, thank you</p>
<p>Verse 2:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">By your perfect sacrifice I’ve been brought near<br />
Your enemy you’ve made your friend<br />
Pouring out the riches of your glorious grace<br />
Your mercy and your kindness know no end</p>
<p>Bridge:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Lover of my soul, I want to live for you</p>
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		<title>R.C. Sproul Interviews Stephen Meyer</title>
		<link>http://ajgibson.org/blog/2010/03/07/r-c-sproul-interviews-stephen-meyer/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Christianity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Science and Creation]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Intelligent Design]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[R.C. Sproul]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Science]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Stephen Meyer]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re interested in the Intelligent Design movement and the work of Dr. Stephen Meyer of the Discovery Institute, I&#8217;d highly recommend that you take the time (about 45 min. total) to view these five videos.  (If you don&#8217;t know who/what any of these are, I&#8217;d still recommend the videos.)  Sproul and Meyer discuss a range [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re interested in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design">Intelligent Design</a> movement and the work of <a href="http://www.discovery.org/p/11">Dr. Stephen Meyer</a> of the <a href="http://www.discovery.org/">Discovery Institute</a>, I&#8217;d highly recommend that you take the time (about 45 min. total) to view these five videos.  (If you don&#8217;t know who/what any of these are, I&#8217;d still recommend the videos.)  Sproul and Meyer discuss a range of topics related to design, science, and the origin of the universe.  I found these discussions between two gracious, godly intellectual giants incredibly stimulating and edifying.</p>
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<p>HT: <a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2010/03/05/r-c-sproul-interviews-stephen-meyer/">Justin Taylor</a></p>
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		<title>Human Reconciliation Begins with the Gospel</title>
		<link>http://ajgibson.org/blog/2010/01/09/human-reconciliation-begins-with-the-gospel/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Theology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Gospel]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Michael Oh]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Reconciliation]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Or to put it another way, horizontal reconciliation begins with vertical reconciliation.  I enjoyed Michael Oh&#8217;s testimony at Urbana last week.  He shared what the gospel has taught him about loving those he&#8217;s expected [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or to put it another way, <em>horizontal reconciliation begins with vertical reconciliation</em>.  I enjoyed Michael Oh&#8217;s testimony at <a href="http://www.urbana09.org/home.main.cfm">Urbana</a> last week.  He shared what the gospel has taught him about loving those he&#8217;s expected to hate.</p>
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		<title>1 Thessalonians 4-5 vis-à-vis Matthew 24 and the Timing of the Rapture</title>
		<link>http://ajgibson.org/blog/2010/01/07/1-thessalonians-4-5-vis-a-vis-matthew-24-and-the-timing-of-the-rapture/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Eschatology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Theology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Greg Beale]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Rapture]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A while back I came across a helpful chart (p. 137) in Greg Beale&#8217;s commentary on 1-2 Thessalonians comparing Paul&#8217;s presentation of Jesus&#8217; return in 1 Thess 4-5 and Jesus&#8217; own presentation of the same event in Matthew 24.  Both pretribbers and non-pretribbers have pointed out the similarities, but seeing it in chart form is especially [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A while back I came across a helpful <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=zlyPH_3Pvl4C&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=beale+thessalonians">chart (p. 137)</a> in Greg Beale&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/1-2-Thessalonians-IVP-Testament-Commentary/dp/0830818138/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1248879144&amp;sr=8-1">commentary on 1-2 Thessalonians</a> comparing Paul&#8217;s presentation of Jesus&#8217; return in 1 Thess 4-5 and Jesus&#8217; own presentation of the same event in Matthew 24.  Both pretribbers and non-pretribbers have pointed out the similarities, but seeing it in chart form is especially instructive, I think.  Here&#8217;s an adaptation of Beale&#8217;s chart:</p>
<table border="0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<th><span style="color: #000000;">EVENT</span></th>
<th><span style="color: #000000;">1 THESS</span></th>
<th><span style="color: #000000;">MATTHEW</span></th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">Christ returns</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">4:16</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">24:30</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">from heaven</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">4:16</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">24:30</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">accompanied by angels</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">4:16</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">24:31</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">with a trumpet of God</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">4:16</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">24:31</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">believers gathered to Christ</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">4:17</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">24:31</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">in clouds</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">4:17</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">24:30</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">time unknown</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">5:1-2</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">24:36</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">coming like a thief</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">5:2, 4</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">24:43</span></td>
</tr>
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<td><span style="color: #000000;">unbelievers unaware of impending judgment</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">5:3</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">24:37-39</span></td>
</tr>
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<td><span style="color: #000000;">judgment comes as pain upon an expectant mother</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">5:3</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">24:8</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">believers not deceived</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">5:4-5</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">24:43</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">believers to be watchful</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">5:6</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">24:37-39</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">warning against drunkeness</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">5:7</span></td>
<td><span style="color: #000000;">24:49</span></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p>The similarities are striking and bear important implications for the question of the timing of the rapture.  Several observations here:</p>
<ol>
<li>It seems clear that in 1 Thessalonians 4-5 Paul is deliberately drawing from Christ&#8217;s teaching on the second coming.*  Both the details concerning the coming itself along with the statements about imminence and the importance of readiness align very closely.</li>
<li>Everyone agrees that the coming of Christ in Matthew 24:30-31 describes the second coming (as opposed to a pre-tribulation coming for the Church).  This is clear because:
<ul>
<li>The event is said in v. 29 to take place &#8220;after the tribulation of those days.&#8221;</li>
<li>It follows cataclysmic and cosmic disturbances (v. 29)</li>
<li>It will be visible to all the tribes of the earth (v. 30).</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>So if Paul in 1 Thess 4-5 is deliberately following the flow of events in Jesus&#8217; sermon (as the table above indicates that he is), then it seems clear that Paul understands that the coming of Christ described in 1 Thess 4:15-17 (the &#8220;rapture&#8221;) is the same event as the one that Jesus describes in Matthew 24:29-31 (the Second Coming).</li>
<li>That the church is not gathered to Jesus until the second coming is consistent with a couple of other details in these passages.
<ul>
<li>The Second Coming of Christ in glory following the tribulation in Matthew 24:29-31 is explicitly said by Jesus to be accompanied by a gathering of the saints (v. 31).  Paul agrees in 1 Thess 4:17.</li>
<li>The Second Coming of Christ in glory following the tribulation in Matthew 24:29-31 is explicitly said by Jesus to be something that will take people by surprise.  It will come as a thief upon those who are not prepared (v. 43; cf. vv. 36-50).  Again, Paul agrees in 1 Thess 5:2-3.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ol>
<p>So I conclude that the flow of Paul&#8217;s exposition in 1 Thess 4-5, when compared to Jesus&#8217; eschatological discourse in Matthew 24, makes a strong case for the post-trib rapture.  To read a rapture into Matthew 24 separate from the coming of Jesus in glory in vv. 29-31 is to violate the clear and plain meaning of the text.  And to argue that the rapture of God&#8217;s people in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 is anything other than the Second Coming of Jesus in glory is to ignore the implication of the clear parallels between 1 Thess 4-5 and Matthew 24.</p>
<p>*NOTE: Since 1 Thess was probably written before Matthew, I&#8217;m assuming that Paul had access to a pre-Matthean oral or written form of Christ&#8217;s teaching in the Olivet Discourse.</p>
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